2C what people are talking about

2CB, Tripstasy, Nexus, Rusko, Bs

The chemical structure of 2CB. Image Credits: Craig McInnes

I talk a lot about drugs. I don’t take drugs, but Jesus Christ, do I talk a lot about them. It seems the moment I tell people I’m a chemist, the conversation inevitably goes one of two ways; one is talking about drugs. Typically I smile and zone out, I’m just not that interested in hearing about the time someone chewed a hole in their cheek or why their jaw hurts. However, recently I sat, captivated, and listened to what this fella was saying. He spoke about a “new” drug that he’d taken. He spoke about 2CB (pictured on the right).

For a guy that seems to do a lot of questionable things, the thing that surprised me most, was how much he knew about what he was taking. How much everyone seemed to know, actually. Upon meeting this guy for the first time, you could be forgiven for writing him off as a stoner, but this guy knew the dose he was meant to take to get one type of effect, how that effect would be completely different if he took a different dose, what would happen if he took it with MDMA and even when to take it to get the most out of that particular trip. He knew how to take it (different methods gave different effects apparently), what would be the first warning signs of it going wrong and – apparently – what to do to come back down “properly” so that he could go to work the next week and not feel too bad. Fucking hell! He knew more about this than your average pharmacist. I’ve learned over the past few years that people tend to know a little about what they’re taking but this took the biscuit. Perhaps this is just my first real encounter with a hardened drug user but over the course of the next few weeks it would turn out that quite a few people out there knew about 2CB and it seemed that people are quite dangerous with too little knowledge: It only took about 6 weeks before I was having a similar conversation with someone else but this time focused on his mate who was in a chemically-induced coma to prevent brain-swelling from killing him after taking too much of the stuff. (Though sadly this seemed amusing to the second guy.)

What is 2CB and why should I even care?

2CB is a part of the 2C family of psychedelics which were originally synthesised and investigated by Alexander Shulgin – a medicinal chemist and, as it turns out, the ‘father of MDMA’ (ecstasy). Shulgin spent much of his time investigating phenylethylamines (the 2C family) and tryptamines (a related family) and it appears that he tested, on himself, all (or at least most) of the psychoactive drugs that he made (was this normal in the 70s?). He even published two books on his experiences with these and related substances. Somebody has gone to the trouble of constructing a table with all of the 2C family members and placed it on Wikipedia and if you’re interested it would seem a good place to start to at least familiarise yourself with the structures and names. I suspect that this will only be of interest to people with a science background though.

side-by-side comparison of ecstasy and acid

See if you can spot the similarity between these two compounds. Image Credit: Craig McInnes

There’s a plethora of reasons for why you should care (which I started writing out but subsequently deleted) but one seems to trump them all; knowledge is power. Arm yourself with an understanding of what’s going on around you and you’ll be better placed to make relevant decisions about how to deal with certain situations…make of that what you will.

So you know what 2CB is, chemically speaking at least, and it only seems right to explain what it is in terms of its effect (please note that this is anecdotal and I only have two sources of information). At low doses, 2CB is a lot like ecstasy. It makes you feel high in a similar way; things are great to touch, music is more meaningful and intense, colours seem more vivid, etcetera, etcetera. I actually found a fairly well written first-hand account in The Tab though I have no idea who this person is or even if they genuinely took 2CB (I guess that’s a wider point, how does anybody know what they’re taking?) and it seems to be describing a low dose trip. My sources tell me that 2CB’s uniqueness comes from higher doses. Above a certain point (I don’t want to dish out hard numbers) the trip goes from an E-like high, to something resembling LSD, with hallucinations being common. When you consider the structures of both E and LSD (shown above), then compare them to 2CB (the first picture), the chemical reasoning seems sound as to why this might happen. I’ve even taken the time to crudely draw out what different sections of LSD have in common with these compounds (shown below).

LSD subsections

structures seen elsewhere in illegal substances are seen within LSD. Image Credit: Craig McInnes

Getting back to my earlier conversation with the first fella, I had one question for him, “Do you get flashbacks with this?” (The BIG scary thing that you get with LSD.) Needless to say he didn’t know, I guess it’s hardly surprising to find out that he wasn’t concerned with the long-term effects. A red flag popped up when I tried to find an answer to this myself. For all that people talk about how 2CB is “better” or “smoother” or just generally a milder trip (all very short-term concerns) it seems that nobody really knows what the long-term effects are. There have been some pharmacological studies concerning the breakdown products of 2CB but nothing following up on what happened, say, 20 years down the line. If I might venture a guess I’d say that it’s not out of the realms of possibility but upon further reading it appears that nobody really knows what actually causes flashbacks in the first place, so who knows? (I had originally thought it was a lipophilicity issue but it appears that this might not be the case.)

So depending on how it’s taken and in what quantity, the high goes from ‘loved up’ to ‘wow, dude, I can see sounds’.

Anything else I should know?

Probably. 2CB almost certainly works by mimicking serotonin (active on 5-HT receptors, a helical trans-membrane receptor, also known as GPCRs), which makes it work in a fashion similar to ecstasy. The long-term effects of this drug are fairly well known and if 2CB functions in the same way then potentially some of those side effects could happen here too (changes in brain structure, lowering of serotonin transporter proteins, depression and decreased memory function to name but a few possible outcomes).

a 7-helix transmembrane receptor

This is what a GCPR looks like. Image Credits: By Bensaccount at en.wikipedia [Public domain], from Wikimedia Commons

When chatting to this fella I reminded him that legal highs could be just as dangerous as illegal ones and that just because nobody knows of side effects yet, doesn’t mean that there aren’t any. (By the way, 2CB is a class A, restricted drug.) The same rings true for 2CB, just because nobody knows the long-term effects of the substance doesn’t mean that there aren’t any and that seems to be a big problem with any new compound as it ‘hits the market’. (cf. the chemically-induced coma and the phrase, ‘too much of anything is a bad thing’.)

Once all the dust had settled and people were out of comas, the conversation arose one last time (or at least, one last interesting time). These guys continue to take 2CB and it appears its use is on the rise. It seems that we’re only going to hear more and more about this little compound and it seems to be a buyer’s market. Despite the fact that it has been described as the single most painful recreational drug to snort, they continue to do it. They snort it up, drop a pill, burn it and breathe it in, or do whatever they can and in whatever direction is the most effective, just to get high.

I still feel it’s important to know what’s going on around you and crucial to know what might happen if someone were to take it. It’s probably even pretty important to talk openly about these things. I am, however, left with one last question: How bad does it have to get and how empty or unfulfilling does your life have to be before the only way to really have fun is to escape from reality into a line of powder? For today though, I reckon that’s a question which is a little too depressing to ask. Perhaps we’ll save that one for another day.

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6 Comments

  1. Frank

     /  January 9, 2017

    Your article would be a lot more enjoyable without the jabs you are taking at drug users or the arrogant, down-your-nose attitude towards them.

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  2. KibNip

     /  September 17, 2016

    I took large and threshold doses of this substance. I’m what they call a psychonaut. Just by reading your responses I can conclude that you never had a good research or experience with people on psychedelics.I’m here to prove people like you wrong. I’m basicly reading alot of articles about 2cb to understand why media makes links. The same media you believe.

    The psychedelic experience is an experience that give’s you the oppertunity to see and experience reality from a different layer and in different ways. We are talking about a passive psychedelic that is popular for a time right now. I have had beautiful experiences that are simply to complex to explain. Not because I was so high that I can’t understand anything or have a decent conversation with anyone. Sad that you describe it similar to that. Because It’s more like that my thoughts are on something else that social communication all the time. For example I like to analyse the level 7A geometry in my ‘trips’, enjoy the nature and the structures within it or my thoughts about subjects like meta-physics.

    It always depends on the person how the psychological effects work for them. One will react extravert one will react introvert loose from the way they normally act. One can express him/her-self poor or good. It depends how intense the dose is and on some other sub-concious factors or if the person had a good nightrest the day before .etc.etc.

    I really needed to respond to this page. I find it hard to believe that someone who calls him/her-self a chemist is generalizing like this. Science needs to be open, nice and free.
    If you don’t understand it take 2cb.

    ~ Kibnip ~

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  3. Patrick

     /  September 2, 2016

    I would like to respond to the very last bit of your article. Life doesn’t have to be “empty”, or “unfulfilling” to use a drug. My guess is that you probably drink a beer or a liquor every now and then. Do you drink that because your Life is empty? I don’t think so. Some people just like to be away from their daily reality just for the fun of it, and return to their normal’ Lives after a trip without taking anything for months, or even years after that.

    Some drugs can even change your Life perception, and your views on a lot of things. Some for the better, some not. People are naturally curious about everything, so they try things. I’m going to try my first 2c-b tonight. Why? Because i want to know what it is, and if i like it. After that, i’m done. I might do it again one time, who knows… But not because my life is empty, just to expand my horizon a little..

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    • Whilst I definitely can’t recommend you try these drugs I am big on harm reduction. I strongly urge you to understand properly, just how potent these compounds are and even if it means delaying this experiment I suggest you buy some very very accurate scales.

      The point about people’s lives being empty is a very interesting one and I wonder if the experiences of the people I’ve known that took 2c-b have coloured that view. I’m going to re-read this article and give you a considered response tomorrow.

      Stay in touch and stay safe!

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    • Ok. So I’ve taken a lot of time to consider your comment more fully. Perhaps you’re right with the point that I’ve jumped to a conclusion that people take 2-CB because their lives are empty. The second guy I refer to in this article (the one that seemed amused at his friend’s coma) definitely fell into the camp of taking drugs to escape their life. And part of that was a reflection that he was (in his eyes) going nowhere. But I accept the point that not everyone is captured in this group. I’m sure many people have many different reasons to take 2-CB.

      On the point of drinking though I’m certain we’ll differ. You’re right, I’m an occasional drinker (once a month perhaps). But my decision to drink is a social one and centres on going out and having conversations with people in a relaxed setting. It doesn’t revolve around getting so high that other people can’t communicate with you. That premise stands true with alcohol as well as drugs. So I guess what really matters is how inebriated/intoxicated one ends up being. I’ve found with friends that get high tend to get so far gone that they disappear “inside their heads” or zone out (or get fights for drugs like coke). I’ve never agreed that drink and drugs are the same. They might be on the same spectrum, but they’re not the same thing.

      Hopefully you see where I’m coming from here.

      Thanks for reading and engaging.

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